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TediZ's avatar

Adding to this discussion which is so needed, the “liberal” churches are just as smarmy as the evangelicals and prime for taking by narcissists and, yes, sociopaths. I was married to a narcissist for over 30 years, a church music director/worship leader. He was charming, funny, smart, and seemingly caring, but that was only as long as he was getting the attention and adoration he felt he deserved, particularly from church women. They all loved him and many of them fell into bed with him (unbeknownst to me for decades). He had two dealings with women; either he was seducing them or, if they saw through him, destroying their credibility. When everything finally came out in an incredibly public and humiliating way for ME, I finally walked away. Even then, in months and months of therapy to try and understand how I could have been taken in so completely, I was defending him to my therapist. “Oh, he’s not that bad. He really intends to be a good person. He just makes poor choices, Yada, yada yada.” My therapist stared at me and said, “In other words he’s not an a*^hole. He just acts like one.” BOOM!

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Trump clearly falls into the sociopath/malignant narcissist bucket, but I don't think you can really understand the extent of his success unless you think in terms of spiritual forces of wickedness or darkness. If you read the temptation narratives in the Bible--the one where the snake shows up and talks Eve into eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge, and the one where Satan shows up to tempt Jesus in the wilderness, it is hard for me not to think about Trump being the tempter. He's just so effective at getting people to give into their worst impulses. He loves money and power and all that, but he loves pitting people against each other and getting them to tear each other down even more than he loves power.

I probably sound like a religious nut, but I promise you I am not--hard to be too nutty if you are an Episcopalian--but even if you are an unbeliever, the Bible has some great insights into the human condition, and the idea of Trump as a destroyer and an opposer works on both the spiritual and the practical level.

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